Tuesday, March 17, 2009


I had a few other words for the homosexual producers and writer of Big Love, who crossed all bounds of self-professed "tolerance" (it's ironically funny how intolerant the gay community can act towards people who don't agree with them - not necessarily all, but certainly their most militant leaders) by choosing to bully members of the LDS faith for expressing their opinion on Prop 8 and blatantly airing sacred temple rituals in mock and inappropriate fashion on an HBO series...but I think this did a much better job:



Amy said...

Rae -- I've been meaning to ask you for awhile if you could suggest a book for me to read about Mormonism.

Shinae said...

Ok you've been yelling at me to comment. I'll comment. :) I really felt like the YOU...in "Ya I mean YOU" was me.

I’ll call this: My Defense of the Gays.

So.....just because they felt that the Mormon church was being intolerant of them doesn’t give them the right to be intolerant of the Mormon church - I agree.

However, they are on the defense and they are angry. Rights that were given to them were then taken away. It is one thing for an opinion to be expressed (you don't have to believe that gay couples are natural or the way God intended things to be) but it is quite another to support a cause and donate money to a bill that would guarantee they would never have the same rights that are enjoyed by you and your family. If a large, wealthy and powerful organization came at the Mormon church threatening to take away any basic core ritual or right within your church it would make treating them with love and respect a bit more difficult. And your response to them would probably be...you don't have to agree with our beliefs, you don't have to become a Mormon and you don't ever have to practice any of these things that you disagree with. BUT you don't get to tell me that I can't. We take for granted this freedom - that fact that no one has ever come in and told us that we can't do something. Can't believe what we want, can't love who we want, can't marry who we want. It is hard for us to relate firsthand. But we can all understand the insane protectiveness and loyalty we have towards our significant others. How we would do anything and go against anyone to protect our right to be with them and to have a family.

In the argument around Nadya Suleman - one of your points was that the government does not have the right to step in. They do not get to decide how many children this woman is fit to bear in her lifetime. As you said there are many unfit parents in this world but we don't have the right to say or choose who stays. There are many unfit straight couples in this world. Abusive, cheating, lying unfit couples. But we (or the government) don't get to decide qualifications for straight marriages. But we do for gay?

And there's my two cents people. For those of you who don't know...Rachel and I talk like this frequently and maintain our friendship so you need not worry...it's all in love. :)

Rae's Corner said...


Tyler actually called me at work to tell me you commented! Hurrah!

I love your Defense of the Gays.
You and I both know how we love gay people. You know I don't really need to go on this whole schpeal.
But, I'm going to interrupt my cupboard organizing to say this:
Mormons were against the proposition to REDEFINE MARRIAGE.
The gay community has made it seem like a Mormon like myself would deny them civil liberties. I wouldn't. I would vote to allow them to have all the same legal protection that a marriage has. But to redefine the textbook, dictionary DEFINITION of marriage was what was up for question.
It was as if the question was asked, "Should we redefine an orange to include limes?". What?! No. An orange is an orange. A lime is a lime. Both a part of the citrus family, but different.Both can be given equal status, but they are not the same thing.
And for me, the reason this squabble over a simple word is because of the ramifications. If the word marriage is truly redefined, will schools be forced to reformat textbooks to include all pictures of all forms of marriages (gay, lesbian, straight, polygamous, polygyny, etc. etc.), will sex education have to include all forms of hetereosexual AND homosexual sex? Will churches be sued for practicing discrimination and not performing gay marriages within their own institutions? You bet they will. And then, MY rights...as far as what I view appropriate and inappropriate will be swept under the rug under the banner of anti-discrimination.

It's more complicated than simply: "Do you want gay people to be happy or not?"
Of course I do. And I certainly don't speak for my church, but I can vouch that Mormons try to practice the love they preach, even if we fall short.

Prop 8 was about redefining marriage.
If we want to talk about civil unions, I'm all for the discussion...and the ballot question should be more discerning.

I'm gonna email you back soon too.


ps. AMY - I'm checking into the good Mormon book thing for you. This sounds smart A, but one I really found fun and objective and comprehensive as a snapshot was Mormonism for Dummies. lol. I'm serious! I have it in my house and it addresses a whole lot of stuff.
I'll recommend another one shortly, I need to go check my bookcase.


Rae's Corner said...


Here is a good one, and a short, light read...
It's titled "The Mormon Faith" by Robert L. Millet.
I love it's quote on its intent:
"Many in the religious world have taken the time to learn about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or as it is more popularly known, Mormonism...One need not become either a convert to or a crusader for Mormonism to understand the phenomenon or the people. This book is not written to convert but to aid in understanding. And if anything is needed in this complex and confusing world, it is understanding."

I especially love that last part about understanding...it applies to the whole gay/mormon thing too. I'm sure a person who is gay and a person who is Mormon would both appreciate the same thing:understanding.


Let me know if you read it. I'd love to hear your thoughts.